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this is wrong because at kroger it's like this

 

 

7.25 an hour starting out.  This "union" company pays LESS than their non-union competition

They don't even tell you what the pay is until AFTER you accepted the position.  So basically, if you're on unemployment and you accept the position, THEN they'll tell you that you are starting at minimum wage!

.05 (no mistake, 5 cents) per hour raises EVERY SIX MONTHS!

you only get one break, a 15 or a 30

you can be "rolled" for hours if someone with more seniority is scheduled for more hours than you are! They simply take your hours and you're left without them!

The union makes sure that a person that's been there longer and doing nothing with their time will be promoted BEFORE a person who is new, yet does spectacular work for them.  

The union does nothing, what good is a union within a company that pays employees minimum wage?

Kroger will let you work off the clock! most department heads do!  

 

 

Meanwhile Wal-Mart (I used to work there, so I know this to be true)

- starts their cashiers off at 9.00 an hour, and 8.50 is the minimum for lot associates

-offer a better break schedule, on an 8 hour shift you get 2 15's and an hour lunch

-raises are a minimum of .40 

-No rolling hours

- your work performance determines how far you go within the company.  long as you're producing, you'll stay there

-you know what your pay is before you work

-wal-mart doesn't stand for you working off the clock - YOU WILL BE FIRED!!!

-there isn't a union to stand in your way and take your money

 

 

lets break it down

kroger starts you at minimum wage (7.25)

Target starts you at 7.50

Publix starts you at 8.50

Wayfield will start you at 8

Wal-mart starts you at 9

 

 

yet wal-mart is made out to be such a terrible company and kroger isn't.  Kroger is much worse to work for than wal-mart, especially if you have bills to pay.  

 

 

 

ok, now who's the bad company here???

 



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People hop on bandwagons.. Most of the people that hate walmart have NO clue what walmart is about or how they operate. Walmart started getting hate because they do tend to shut down homegrown businesses. The hatemongers could care less about employees.. they latch onto minor problems with employees to further their own hate of walmart.

It's all about big box. Kroger has grocery stores, jewelry stores, gas stations, stop and shops, their own finance companies that offer credit cards to prepaid cards, loans, insurance etc.

No one will start in on kroger because it's not fashionable.

the whiny bitchers just want to hop on whatever they can to be "in"

One thing you didn't mention was that Yes, Kroger starts you out at min wage, but you also have to pay the union from 10 to 20 bucks a week for the chance to work for min wage.

So yay union. I'm still in it, only because it takes an act of congress to get out. I'm still trying to get out. Good luck if anyone can.

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i've only been with kroger for 3 months and i already understand how horrible a place it is to work......meaningless key retailing......strangely scheduled inventories........crappy managers and understaffed crew


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non-union stores will always pay more. it's their way of saying "don't unionize so we can fire anyone who ****s up or gets too old."

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Any business that adopts practices like key retailing is ****.

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Anonymous wrote:

 

this is wrong because at kroger it's like this

 

 

7.25 an hour starting out.  This "union" company pays LESS than their non-union competition

They don't even tell you what the pay is until AFTER you accepted the position.  So basically, if you're on unemployment and you accept the position, THEN they'll tell you that you are starting at minimum wage!

.05 (no mistake, 5 cents) per hour raises EVERY SIX MONTHS!

you only get one break, a 15 or a 30

you can be "rolled" for hours if someone with more seniority is scheduled for more hours than you are! They simply take your hours and you're left without them!

The union makes sure that a person that's been there longer and doing nothing with their time will be promoted BEFORE a person who is new, yet does spectacular work for them.  

The union does nothing, what good is a union within a company that pays employees minimum wage?

Kroger will let you work off the clock! most department heads do!  

 

 

Meanwhile Wal-Mart (I used to work there, so I know this to be true)

- starts their cashiers off at 9.00 an hour, and 8.50 is the minimum for lot associates

-offer a better break schedule, on an 8 hour shift you get 2 15's and an hour lunch

-raises are a minimum of .40 

-No rolling hours

- your work performance determines how far you go within the company.  long as you're producing, you'll stay there

-you know what your pay is before you work

-wal-mart doesn't stand for you working off the clock - YOU WILL BE FIRED!!!

-there isn't a union to stand in your way and take your money

 

 

lets break it down

kroger starts you at minimum wage (7.25)

Target starts you at 7.50

Publix starts you at 8.50

Wayfield will start you at 8

Wal-mart starts you at 9

 

 

yet wal-mart is made out to be such a terrible company and kroger isn't.  Kroger is much worse to work for than wal-mart, especially if you have bills to pay.  

 

 

 

ok, now who's the bad company here???

 


 Neither.

And it's not retail in general, for that matter.....It is Corporate America, where products, services and the minions of advertising and marketing hordes that surround them are merely fronts for the only thing holy to all the rich people behind the smoke and mirrors controlling them: P R O F I T.

And folks, it's only going to continue that way: There is no America any more, or China, or Russia or even Europe. There are merely rich people and poor people....and all the rest of us scrambling in the middle. The next few years are truly going to separate the strong from the doomed, and never before now has there ever been more of a need to find a marketable skill that the average person can use to better themselves and their families.

As for union retailers vs non union? This is a question each of us will have to satisfy to our own best interests. There are strong points on both sides.

Remember; The only constant in this formula is change...and it is often not for the better. Only our skills at adapting to those changes can make that happen~



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My experience working at WalMart versus Kroger has been a lot different than yours.

     I started as a produce clerk at WalMart at $7.20/hr. After 8 months and still at $7.20/hr I was able to start with Kroger, in produce, at $8.25/hr.  I attained full time status in less than 4 months.  I have received regular raises and am at $11.25/hr now.  My  next scheduled rise will put me at about $11.50/hr, unless I accept the promotion to back up produce mgr. which has been offered to me twice.  Then I will make a little more per hour.       I noticed that your comparison between WalMart & Kroger was silent with regard to insurance benefits.  I am able to fully insure myself & spouse for $10.00 (Ten) per week.  Try that at WalMart!  And you can thank the union for that...no retail, health service, not-for-profit, manufacturer, etc. would offer our insurance packages at $5 and $10 per week unless a union negotiated it for you.   As for union dues, I consider them to be like insurance premiums.  We all pay pretty hefty premiums for auto or homeowners insurance while hoping we never have a serious accident, house fire, etc....but you never know. Likewise with union dues....I pay the small amount of dues each week while hoping I never find myself in need of union services...but you never know.    My 1st hour of net pay each week more than pays my union dues....my first 2 hours of net pay each week pays my union dues and my insurance premiums combined.  Put another way, by the time I take my 1st break on my 1st work day of the week, I've already paid for insurance & dues.   Oh, and by the way,  at my store we all get two 15 minute breaks and a 60 minute lunch hour every day.  So...is Kroger perfect?  Hardly!  But I wouldn't go back to WalMart for anything.  If you're still working at Kroger and dislike it so much why don't you go back the the darkside at WalMart...and you have my condolances if you do!



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I work at kroger and my mom works at wal-mart. As far as we're concerned they are both horrible.

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I have been with Kroger for 4 years, full time for roughly 3. I started as a bagger, moved to cashier, then moved to the Grocery Department. No, the pay isn't great, but folks this is AMERICA. People ALWAYS want more. Everyone is going to have different opinions, but as far as mine goes, overall I cannot complain about Kroger. If something comes up, such as sickness, a death, etc, store management will work with you! I am a member of the union and also have healthcare. Both of those are paid for within about 1.5 hours of work.

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I've worked for Kroger for over 30 years, and I'll tell ya this. When I was 18, I worked for a non-union company. Worked there for 2 years and swore I'd never work for a non-union company again. Time has proven this. I'd known several, in the past, that worked for Winn-Dixie. When they were approaching their 10th year, they were FIRED! Why? Because Winn-Dixie didn't want to pay them a pension.
You can be fired from ANY non-union store for ANY reason.
Granted, unions aren't nearly as good as they use to be. But...WHAT IS?
Most don't want to pay union dues cause it costs too much, and they feel like they're wasting their money.
In the 80's we went on strike twice and won our grievances. To watch management and scabs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikebreaker) try their best to do OUR jobs was truly a joy.
I work nearly 46 to 48 hours a week. And have since the 80's. During that week, I wait on anywhere from 800 to 1000 customers. No one is truly satisfied with their job, from what I hear.
If you're working for WalMart, fine. It's a job. And you have something many others don't. Make the best of it, but watch your back.


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Uhnmmmm OK??? You MUST work for Kroger AND paid by Kroger. You do NOT start out at $8.25/hr at Kroger anywhere.

NOT only are you anonymous..you are a liar just like most of the 'managers' at Kroger.



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you only get one break, a 15 or a 30

Kroger will let you work off the clock! most department heads do!  

 

 

Meanwhile Wal-Mart (-offer a better break schedule, on an 8 hour shift you get 2 15's and an hour lunch

 

-wal-mart doesn't stand for you working off the clock - YOU WILL BE FIRED!!!


 I don't know what Kroger store you're at but in my division the breaks and lunches are as follows:

Note: The times are just an example.

8:00-12:00 one break (Get paid for 4 hours)

8:00-1:00 one break (Get paid for 5 hours)

8:00-2:00 one break (Get paid for 6 hours)

Anything over 6 hours is two breaks and a lunch.  However, if an employee is scheduled for 7 or 7 1/2 hours they will usually just take two 15 minute breaks.  If you work over 8 hours, you get a third break.



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The break schedule at my store is a bit better.

Less than 6 hours gets 10 minutes.  6 hours gets 15 minutes.  7 hours can have a lunch and a 10.  8 hours gets a lunch and two 10's.

Full time isn't something generally something that can be accomplished.  It would probably take years and years of 12 hour weeks and a sudden outbreak of plague to get someone enough hours.   My store is even bringing in people from other stores with high seniority to keep anyone from moving up.

Insurance around here is umbelievably cheap, but the strategy is to starve part timers of hours so they can't have it.  It might as well not be there for 70% of employees.

Yeah, it's a bad job with no future.  My seemingly unusual problem is that I love my coworkers and most of my managers, which makes it harder than it should be to get the hell out.



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I work 3rd shift at a kroger and we only get a 30 min break during 8-10 hours of work. It's insane

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I have worked for Kroger for 5 years , before that I have worked many jobs non union, I have been fired from two for unjust reasons. Goodwill manager was stealing I was 16 and she wiped her whole crew out before someone could snitch. ( but someone did), tractor supply ( god forbid ) I worked there non union also and got fired after months of harassment from the NEW manager who wanted a new crew, for something silly. I worked for Meijer and if you think your job is bad DO NOT get tied into Meijer, even having a union, it makes it hard for managment to fire for unjust cause but they have a computer system that writes you up if your a min late, the cashiers used to line up in the hallway waiting to get wrote up and the turn over is crazy because of the write up system. You literally get wrote up almost every day. But that how I met my husband. Oh and did I mention that as a meat clerk I make more money then a tractor supply and goodwill manager. Each Kroger is ran different the store manager makes their own rules and the union has a problem regulating it. Some stores has dip ****s running it some have bitches. But there are a few with super good managment. And ALL the problems start from the top. I suggest if you are having problems at one Kroger store ask other employees from other store how they do and maybe go there. I do pay over 10 bucks a week for union dues and yes I have had to use it. But after all the ****ty union and non union store I have worked forkroger has been the best. I get pension, 401k health benifits , and free stuff. Trust me I am not saying its the best , I have been through some **** with this store that at one point put me on a self destructive path I felt as if nothing I did was right. But the grass is never greener on the other side and ALL retail treat you the same. But at Kroger that fades away and they pick on someone else. To me finding a retail job non managment that pays 13.30 and hr, is worth it. But it can be very stressful and it's not the work as much as the managers, and I do understand people that quit I have felt very very tempted. But they got me stuck with the pay and perks. So I suck it up and just remember its just a job. For them to fire you will take ALOT. Good luck at finding the green grass when you do let me know. I do know salvation army was a fun place to work. It paid crap , I'm sure it had something to do with a super awesome manager. As all places do.

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Your reply would be more readable if you broke it into about 4 or 5 separate paragraphs. 



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really cause i worked at walmart over 3 years sorry ass employees and i started at7.35 in 2009 and i work at kroger now starting at 8 a hour so please the only thing better at walmart is you get a hour lunch



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also i think you have to have 16 straight 32+ hour weeks to automatically get full time . well when you get anywhere close they cut your hours for ONE week so they pretty much screw you over. 



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I work at Kroger and have been there for 4 years and you're right. I started off 7.25 and I'm at 7.50.



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Jobs with insurance are typically going to pay less because they have to pay for some of the healthcare costs ect



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I worked for Winn Dixie for 16 years . there is no way with the extent Winn Dixie human resource department goes to to make sure every employee is treated fairly that anyone would ever be let go for years of service.  And with the laws in this country that is just an impossibility. If a person was let go it was with a reason period.... 

 



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Thank you



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Anonymous wrote:

 

this is wrong because at kroger it's like this

 

 

7.25 an hour starting out.  This "union" company pays LESS than their non-union competition

They don't even tell you what the pay is until AFTER you accepted the position.  So basically, if you're on unemployment and you accept the position, THEN they'll tell you that you are starting at minimum wage!

.05 (no mistake, 5 cents) per hour raises EVERY SIX MONTHS!

you only get one break, a 15 or a 30

you can be "rolled" for hours if someone with more seniority is scheduled for more hours than you are! They simply take your hours and you're left without them!

The union makes sure that a person that's been there longer and doing nothing with their time will be promoted BEFORE a person who is new, yet does spectacular work for them.  

The union does nothing, what good is a union within a company that pays employees minimum wage?

Kroger will let you work off the clock! most department heads do!  

 

 

Meanwhile Wal-Mart (I used to work there, so I know this to be true)

- starts their cashiers off at 9.00 an hour, and 8.50 is the minimum for lot associates

-offer a better break schedule, on an 8 hour shift you get 2 15's and an hour lunch

-raises are a minimum of .40 

-No rolling hours

- your work performance determines how far you go within the company.  long as you're producing, you'll stay there

-you know what your pay is before you work

-wal-mart doesn't stand for you working off the clock - YOU WILL BE FIRED!!!

-there isn't a union to stand in your way and take your money

 

 

lets break it down

kroger starts you at minimum wage (7.25)

Target starts you at 7.50

Publix starts you at 8.50

Wayfield will start you at 8

Wal-mart starts you at 9

 

 

yet wal-mart is made out to be such a terrible company and kroger isn't.  Kroger is much worse to work for than wal-mart, especially if you have bills to pay.  

 

 

 

ok, now who's the bad company here???

 


 bump for truth



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Amos

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So much misinformation. Nobody making minimum wage pays over $10 a week in dues. People making over $10 an hour do that.

wal mart receives most of the hate because being the giant employer they are, they set prevailing conditions for the retail industry, and because their stores are absolutely disastrous to the local economy, and quote frankly to the economy of the whole country.



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My experience working at WalMart versus Kroger has been a lot different than yours.

     I started as a produce clerk at WalMart at $7.20/hr. After 8 months and still at $7.20/hr I was able to start with Kroger, in produce, at $8.25/hr.  I attained full time status in less than 4 months.  I have received regular raises and am at $11.25/hr now.  My  next scheduled rise will put me at about $11.50/hr, unless I accept the promotion to back up produce mgr. which has been offered to me twice.  Then I will make a little more per hour.       I noticed that your comparison between WalMart & Kroger was silent with regard to insurance benefits.  I am able to fully insure myself & spouse for $10.00 (Ten) per week.  Try that at WalMart!  And you can thank the union for that...no retail, health service, not-for-profit, manufacturer, etc. would offer our insurance packages at $5 and $10 per week unless a union negotiated it for you.   As for union dues, I consider them to be like insurance premiums.  We all pay pretty hefty premiums for auto or homeowners insurance while hoping we never have a serious accident, house fire, etc....but you never know. Likewise with union dues....I pay the small amount of dues each week while hoping I never find myself in need of union services...but you never know.    My 1st hour of net pay each week more than pays my union dues....my first 2 hours of net pay each week pays my union dues and my insurance premiums combined.  Put another way, by the time I take my 1st break on my 1st work day of the week, I've already paid for insurance & dues.   Oh, and by the way,  at my store we all get two 15 minute breaks and a 60 minute lunch hour every day.  So...is Kroger perfect?  Hardly!  But I wouldn't go back to WalMart for anything.  If you're still working at Kroger and dislike it so much why don't you go back the the darkside at WalMart...and you have my condolances if you do!


 What state is your in? The Kroger I work for gives a 15 minute break if you work up to 6 hours and 45 minutes. When you work 7 to 8 hours you get two 15 minute breaks. We do not get lunch breaks. My Kroger is in Ohio.



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THIS IS ABSOLUTE BS FROM SOMEONE WHO WORKS AT A UNION OFFICE!  NO KIDDING AT ALL, THIS IS ABSOLUTE BS, ABSOLUTE BS!  KROGER WILL NEVER PROMOTE PEOPLE THAT FAST - THE UNION CONTRACT WILL NOT ALLOW KROGER TO DO SO!  YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK AT KROGER PART-TIME WITHOUT BENEFITS FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE THE UNION CONTRACT WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO GET PROMOTED SO FAST.  WORKERS WILL SENIORITY GET PROMOTED IN UNION COMPANIES EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT A GOOD WORKER, PERIOD.  DO NOT WORK FOR KROGER PERIOD!!!  APPLY FOR JOBS AT ONLY NON-UNION COMPANIES - IF YOU WORK HARD YOU CAN INDEED BE PROMOTED QUICKLY UNLIKE THIS LYING INDIVIDUAL WHO SUPPOSEDLY WORKS AT KROGER DID.  NON UNION FOLKS!!!!!!!!!  DON'T GIVE ANY THUG UNION OFFICE YOUR HARD EARNED $10 OR $15 A WEEK IN UNION DUES FOR MINIMUM WAGE OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE.  DO NOT WORK FOR ANY GROCERY STORE WITH A UNION.  THERE ARE NON-UNION STORES THAT START PEOPLE OUT AT $10 TO $12 AN HOUR - NO KIDDING.  WHOLE FOODS STARTS PEOPLE OUT AT LEAST $10 AN HOUR, TRADER JOES IS $11.50 OR $12 AN HOUR AND ALDI STARTS PEOPLE OUT AT $12 AN HOUR - NO JOKING!



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THIS IS ABSOLUTE BS FROM SOMEONE WHO WORKS AT A UNION OFFICE!  NO KIDDING AT ALL, THIS IS ABSOLUTE BS, ABSOLUTE BS!  KROGER WILL NEVER PROMOTE PEOPLE THAT FAST - THE UNION CONTRACT WILL NOT ALLOW KROGER TO DO SO!  YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK AT KROGER PART-TIME WITHOUT BENEFITS FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE THE UNION CONTRACT WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO GET PROMOTED SO FAST.  WORKERS WITH SENIORITY GET PROMOTED IN UNION COMPANIES EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT A GOOD WORKER, PERIOD.  DO NOT WORK FOR KROGER PERIOD!!!  APPLY FOR JOBS AT ONLY NON-UNION COMPANIES - IF YOU WORK HARD YOU CAN INDEED BE PROMOTED QUICKLY UNLIKE THIS LYING INDIVIDUAL WHO SUPPOSEDLY WORKS AT KROGER DID.  NON UNION FOLKS!!!!!!!!!  DON'T GIVE ANY THUG UNION OFFICE YOUR HARD EARNED $10 OR $15 A WEEK IN UNION DUES FOR MINIMUM WAGE OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE.  DO NOT WORK FOR ANY GROCERY STORE WITH A UNION.  THERE ARE NON-UNION STORES THAT START PEOPLE OUT AT $10 TO $12 AN HOUR - NO KIDDING.  WHOLE FOODS STARTS PEOPLE OUT AT LEAST $10 AN HOUR, TRADER JOES IS $11.50 OR $12 AN HOUR AND ALDI STARTS PEOPLE OUT AT $12 AN HOUR - NO JOKING!



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Anonymous wrote:

 

this is wrong because at kroger it's like this

 

 

7.25 an hour starting out.  This "union" company pays LESS than their non-union competition

They don't even tell you what the pay is until AFTER you accepted the position.  So basically, if you're on unemployment and you accept the position, THEN they'll tell you that you are starting at minimum wage!

.05 (no mistake, 5 cents) per hour raises EVERY SIX MONTHS!

 


 

I'm a courtesy clerk. I won't see any of that.
Nine months and I make the same minimum wage ($7.25) that I did when I started.
*sighs* 



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