I do not have a vehicle of my own. I rely on rides from friends and family to get me to and from work. This is not my problem. I am ALWAYS early and ALWAYS stay my entire shift or fifteen to twenty minutes over if the situation deems necessary. My ride doesn't take issue with this. However when it runs over half an hour it gets a little ridiculous. My question is this, can the shift manager try to force me to stay past my scheduled 8 1/2 hours, when I've already worked 45 minutes extra and have 40 hours scheduled and no authorized overtime? I've gotten in trouble in the past for unauthorized overtime when it was the manager forcing me to stay!
I have no idea. At my store they will not allow over time. Once your shift is over clock out and get the hell out of there because they do not play when it comes to OT in my store. People constantly get in trouble for stay OT.
the answer is a definite NO. they are taking advantage of you and the situation. obviously, they know that you are an easy target to get to stay so they constantly will come to you when they need to. but by contract, they can only ask you to stay over for 1 hr once a week. so lets say they do it on Monday then again ask a couple days later on Wednesday, then they are in violation of the contract unless you agree.
but the problem for you is how can you say no to them in a proper way w/o any ill will. you almost have to find a good moment where you can go up to this particular person and say "hey look, about having me stay over here and there.... then explain to them your feelings and concerns."
good luck but don't let people run over you
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I am no longer part of the oppressed, evil workforce of Kroger! Can you say "Hallelujah"
They are testing you to see if you say anything. When I first started, they had me stay almost a full hour after I was meant to get off every day. One day I said something like I need to leave when my schedule says because I rely on rides and the manager said "That's not a problem." and they haven't had me stay late since. Make sure you bring it up with your supervisor.
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I thought people were joking when they said working for Kroger sucks...
Unfortunately when I told my manager this he cursed at me and told me it was pretty damn inconvenient that I didn't have an effing car. he's a total jerk who abuses his authority constantly.
Unfortunately when I told my manager this he cursed at me and told me it was pretty damn inconvenient that I didn't have an effing car. he's a total jerk who abuses his authority constantly.
I would have said right then and there "You know what else is pretty damn inconvenient? I QUIT!" and walked out.
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I thought people were joking when they said working for Kroger sucks...
I wish I could but I have a disabled wife and a child that rely on this tiny paycheck to survive. I can't win. I've filed three complaints against this manager, the union is no help.
Unfortunately when I told my manager this he cursed at me and told me it was pretty damn inconvenient that I didn't have an effing car. he's a total jerk who abuses his authority constantly.
" If you give me your car then i'll have a car to come to work on my own with. Not all of us can make $40,000 a year or have perfect credit. Some of us have disabled wives and children who depend on us."
Seriously, **** your manager.
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Would you like fries with th... I mean, your milk in a bag?
they can force a dept head to stay but not you, especially if you're part time.
if they don't have people coming in on time, that's their problem. if they hired and approved bad availabilities, that's their problem. none of this is your problem. i can ask someone to stay but if you can't, you can't and no one should punish you for working your schedule.
i realize now i might be in your situation. we just got a new dept head who has demanded i stay even though i'm full time and she says she doesn't care about OT, let store management fuss at her. sorry, i don't play those games. i went around her and got it approved.
i can definitely see it becoming a problem if she continues with this attitude that people must stay over (or else) and OT doesn't matter. that may have worked at her old store but she's not there any more and she needs to wake up to reality.
I ALWAYS bail at the end of my shift. ESPECIALLY if I am planning something. Management doesn't like it, but they deal with it. (They have no choice to but to deal) plus a majority of the time, NO OVERTIME is permitted. Management states there is simply not enough hours and they cannot (they can) afford it.
Check your Union Contract...in my area, it's written that if the business deems it necessary for you to stay for the "the good of the business" AND "EVERYONE" in your department is required to work overtime, then you MUST stay and work. IF you should decide to WALK-OUT without completing the required task AND without supervisor's approval, it IS job abandonedment AND grounds for immediate termination...
Many clerks have ignored the "good of the business" clause and ALL have lost their jobs in my area...believe me, our Union have tried to save these jobs and failed, because our fellow Union associates think being in the union means free range to walk off the job and not have to answer to or follow any common business structure or requirements...the job isn't done just because YOU don't feel like staying any longer, YOU ARE NOT ABOVE your employer!!! The job's done when you've completed all required tasks and the supervisor says it's okay to go home...remember...you went to Kroger and asked for a job...They hired you to do work...They tell you what they need you to do...you complete it and get paid...
...Example...it's like YOU hiring a plumber to fix a leaky faucet...you want it done in a timely manner...they quote you $50 for 1-hr labor and parts...you hire them to do just that...they take 3-hours due to unforeseen/unexpected troubles and resection a pipe...then leaves at the 3.5-hours mark, bills you for $150 and left you with a still leaky faucet. You're not happy and demand that they stay to finish the job...they tell you "Sorry, we already resectioned your pipes, stayed past our estimated shift. We're tired and going home now. Here's our bill for today. Pay the $150 then we'll be back tomorrow to deal with the leaky faucet...
You'd be mad as hell and pissed off...why would you expect a different reaction from your employer when you serve it up to them the same way the plumbers did in the example above???
I give management ample time to ask me to stay. If it's MANY hours before I go home, then I'll TRY to work it out. If it's like 10 min or less, then... Sorry bud.
" Many clerks have ignored the "good of the business" clause and ALL have lost their jobs in my area...believe me, our Union have tried to save these jobs and failed, because our fellow Union associates think being in the union means free range to walk off the job and not have to answer to or follow any common business structure or requirements...the job isn't done just because YOU don't feel like staying any longer, YOU ARE NOT ABOVE your employer!!! The job's done when you've completed all required tasks and the supervisor says it's okay to go home...remember...you went to Kroger and asked for a job...They hired you to do work...They tell you what they need you to do...you complete it and get paid...
I agree with the above statement, however, sometimes too much is expected. I'm new to the grocery business, but worked at Walmart (general merchandise) for awhile and understand the system.
The system now is - we can hire 1 person and expect them to do 2 people's worth of work. If they quit, we'll hire someone else. (I work in a non-union state).
The problem with the system is that, sometimes, good people leave because of negative treatment from their 1st level managers.
What if you complete the assigned task, but not fast enough to do another task before you are scheduled to leave for the night/day?
The supervisor complains that you spent too much time stocking potatoes the Sunday before Thanksgiving!!!
If the potato display was big like the apples, then there wouldn't have been a problem!!!
I am *NOT* to leave (ever) until certain tasks are completed. No specific consequences stated, just that I need to complete the tasks. So I always complete them, even it means staying over.
Check your Union Contract...in my area, it's written that if the business deems it necessary for you to stay for the "the good of the business" AND "EVERYONE" in your department is required to work overtime, then you MUST stay and work. IF you should decide to WALK-OUT without completing the required task AND without supervisor's approval, it IS job abandonedment AND grounds for immediate termination...
Many clerks have ignored the "good of the business" clause and ALL have lost their jobs in my area...believe me, our Union have tried to save these jobs and failed, because our fellow Union associates think being in the union means free range to walk off the job and not have to answer to or follow any common business structure or requirements...the job isn't done just because YOU don't feel like staying any longer, YOU ARE NOT ABOVE your employer!!! The job's done when you've completed all required tasks and the supervisor says it's okay to go home...remember...you went to Kroger and asked for a job...They hired you to do work...They tell you what they need you to do...you complete it and get paid...
...Example...it's like YOU hiring a plumber to fix a leaky faucet...you want it done in a timely manner...they quote you $50 for 1-hr labor and parts...you hire them to do just that...they take 3-hours due to unforeseen/unexpected troubles and resection a pipe...then leaves at the 3.5-hours mark, bills you for $150 and left you with a still leaky faucet. You're not happy and demand that they stay to finish the job...they tell you "Sorry, we already resectioned your pipes, stayed past our estimated shift. We're tired and going home now. Here's our bill for today. Pay the $150 then we'll be back tomorrow to deal with the leaky faucet...
You'd be mad as hell and pissed off...why would you expect a different reaction from your employer when you serve it up to them the same way the plumbers did in the example above???
REALLY!!!!!!
Kroger is never left empty handed. Someone is always going to come in, sometime. Kroger also only pays them for time clocked. We aren't management. Per your example the owner would pay the plumber $25 for the pipe resection and the plumber would come back the next day to continue working on the pipes because that's his contract with the home owner.
You don't understand how things work in the real world and you overuse the ellipsis. Stop it.
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Would you like fries with th... I mean, your milk in a bag?
OP here. How on earth can I be expected to set up child care if I am REQUIRED to stay past my scheduled hours whenever they feel like it? Sorry babysitter who had somewhere to be, work made me stay an extra 3 hours? That's insane. Sorry wifes doctor, she couldn't make her appointment because work forced me to stay over. How can I be expected to have an sort of life if the schedule actually means jack s***
Actually, as was stated earlier, only dept mgmt and above can be required to stay. They have no right anywhere to force you to stay, at least officially. However, if you don't "play along" with them, it can cause problems if your supervisor/mgr is unreasonable.
He is rather unreasonable but I stay over every day I work. I just don't stay over more than an hour. Someone posted that I can be fired for not staying. Is that a fact?
Nope. Unless you are management they cannot do that Technicaly. Usually "peons/underlings" are not required to stay over their hours. Now my manager ALWAYS stays over his hours. Because he is salary and this REQUIRED at times to do so.
I get that all the time they scedual us so short staffed and expectes us to get everything done within a strict time limit then yell at us when its not done. Then we havr to stay lil past time to get somthing done and hey force us to take off overtime when they want us to stay. I got promoted to deli manager and have been for 6 months in this position and havent had any training for managr and they yell at us all the time when we mess up but they wont train us hry say their to busey
If you're the deli manager, it is your responsibility to get everything done, or make sure your employees get them done. After all, you're the one who gets all the recognition for the department, not your employees.
I stay overtime if I 'have' to. Kroger pays you time and a half for it. dammit would you people quit acting like kids in school when it comes to overtime. and by the way there's no way in hell any of you 'deserve' more than time and a half for it either. think of the times you've called in sick in the past or even requested days off. it's likely SOMEONE had to stay a little later so you wouldn't have to come in. so grow the **** up!
I stay overtime if I 'have' to. Kroger pays you time and a half for it. dammit would you people quit acting like kids in school when it comes to overtime. and by the way there's no way in hell any of you 'deserve' more than time and a half for it either. think of the times you've called in sick in the past or even requested days off. it's likely SOMEONE had to stay a little later so you wouldn't have to come in. so grow the **** up!
No one is acting like little kids in school. It's REASONABLE to be told AHEAD of time if your needed to stay over. And if you've already made plans that you cannot or do not wish to undo, then they can figure out what to do. Kroger can handle it. And Ive NEVER called in sick. I've been sent home due to illness, but that's it. I've requested days off...yes.
but when you said none of us deserve more than time and a half.., that included YOU as well.
