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I have a bit of PTSD from my last job. But also my room mate was just fired yesterday based off if the word of one person, with no proof (5 days before he could join the union) so I'm a bit shaken up and worry that I will be fired for answering the questions truthfully. (Example: I know we just got moved to $10 an hour but that's still not enough for adults with families. Our kroger has almost no student employees. Mostly adults. 300 a week isnt good enough. And I also put down that I enjoy how much we do for our employees but I feel that our kroger forgets that the employees are also customers.) I didnt put down anything bad. I only put down things that were truthful. But I'm scared of being fired. I have 3 weeks until I can be in the union and the survey ends on the 29th.



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NOPE. They can be sued if they fired people for an "anonymous" survey. Next time just don't put in your accurate physical description and department.



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If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.



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Nope.  Just answer the questions for how you really feel not how they want you to feel.  



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Y E P! ....................... Oh, they'll never claim it was for your survey responses; they don't need to! You can be fired for virtually a n y t h i n g, and your rights to fight it are only as sterong as your protected class status and/or your bank roll to fight it.

People kill me with all this 'I'll say whatever I want!!'

Is it worth your job?? no



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If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.


 BAM. Veritas. biggrin



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If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.


 OK, I know you mean well in your post, but that subtly elitist "I am better than you because I have a better job and make more money than you" attitude that Kroger jobs are nothing but "UNSKILLED LABOR" disgusts me.   Exactly WHAT is your definition of "UNSKILLED"??    

ALL jobs at Kroger require at least a bit of skill (skills) although admittedly those skills required aren't in the ballpark of brain surgery,creating computer programs, or designing railroad bridges.  

It takes skill to deal effectively with the public. It takes skill to get along well with co-workers. It takes skill to throw XX cases per hour, to do the jobs of proper rotation, conditioning, inventory, BOH adjustments, coaching workers under your supervision, doing tasks in the best possible order that maximizes results with the meager hours alloted to you by Corporate. 

It takes skill to learn the many uses / tasks that can be performed with the RF gun.  Proper, thorough cleaning procedures take skill (no matter what you lazy arm-chair critics might say).  Running the cash register quickly and efficiently takes skill.  Knowing just the right thing to say ( or not to say) to customers takes skill.  Working the front desk takes skill.  Doing a great job in the deli, or in the meat dept, or in produce, or in dairy, or in pharmacy, takes skill.

 

 



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If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.


To you this may seem like an "easy" job for people that are "unskilled" but you are wrong. I am so done with this attitude that retail jobs are not "real jobs" every store and business needs people to work and keep it running and serve customers and make everything happen and make people be able to shop and buy things, these employees are people the same as customers and they also have to be able to eat and afford groceries too and to do that they need to be paid enough. They are able to pay more but they just refuse to. 



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If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.


 Doing any job well requires some level of skill. Besides, I don't come to where you work and slap the dick out of your mouth. And yes, that too requires a certain skill level. #feedthehumanspirit #uplifteveryway #improveeveryday 



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If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.


 OK, I know you mean well in your post, but that subtly elitist "I am better than you because I have a better job and make more money than you" attitude that Kroger jobs are nothing but "UNSKILLED LABOR" disgusts me.   Exactly WHAT is your definition of "UNSKILLED"??    

ALL jobs at Kroger require at least a bit of skill (skills) although admittedly those skills required aren't in the ballpark of brain surgery,creating computer programs, or designing railroad bridges.  

It takes skill to deal effectively with the public. It takes skill to get along well with co-workers. It takes skill to throw XX cases per hour, to do the jobs of proper rotation, conditioning, inventory, BOH adjustments, coaching workers under your supervision, doing tasks in the best possible order that maximizes results with the meager hours alloted to you by Corporate. 

It takes skill to learn the many uses / tasks that can be performed with the RF gun.  Proper, thorough cleaning procedures take skill (no matter what you lazy arm-chair critics might say).  Running the cash register quickly and efficiently takes skill.  Knowing just the right thing to say ( or not to say) to customers takes skill.  Working the front desk takes skill.  Doing a great job in the deli, or in the meat dept, or in produce, or in dairy, or in pharmacy, takes skill.

 

 


 In this context, 'skill' refers to something you need extensive training to do. Everything you listed can be learned from shadowing sme people for a short amount of time. Skills like plumbing, electrical work, etc. take commitment and time to learn properly. Anyone can do Kroger work. Sorry.



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Management filters those surveys and decides which ones get sent out. Only a certain percentage get sent. It doesnt really matter what you say.



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Anonymous wrote:

If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.


 


 In this context, 'skill' refers to something you need extensive training to do. Everything you listed can be learned from shadowing sme people for a short amount of time. Skills like plumbing, electrical work, etc. take commitment and time to learn properly. Anyone can do Kroger work. Sorry.


 Exactly. It's like the difference between adding and algebra: one anyone can memorize, the other requires conceptual skills (yep, there's that damn word again) that require either natural talent or extremly hard work.....and that's what we're trying to get across, re. menial retail jobs. No shame in settling for 'em, but they're a dime a dozen. And should be. It's the basic law of economics.



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Has anyone ever gotten results from putting something on a survey?

I'm not convinced they don't just discard the results.



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Has anyone ever gotten results from putting something on a survey?

A 20-minute "action-plan" meeting over stale croissants.  If scores aren't 100% uplifting, it is clear the associates do not understand how great they have it here in grocery-store paradise.  We must communicate more clearly to the workers in order to rid them of their negative misconceptions.

See you next year.



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Yeah, pretty much what he said... i can't imagine they get very many positive responses, but will corporate admit to that? No, they might say numbers are down from last year but they won't be honest with us at all.

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Has anyone ever gotten results from putting something on a survey?

I'm not convinced they don't just discard the results.


 We got (very small) wage increases. I put on mine this year that the uplift to feed the human spirit program was stupid and the only way associates could be uplifted was with additional wages, even if only a nickel could have been added to each associate's pay would have went further than this uplift BS. Also that wages were still not high enough and that we're basically acting as a feeder system for other companies; guys come here, get trained up for free, then take that experience to Wal-Mart or another higher paying retailer. So if you want to retain employees, you're going to have to meet the payrolls of other companies (including ones smaller than ours) and figure out where to cut the fat from elsewhere, and not hours. It's possible. I used to do inventory management for an aerospace industry company that went out of business and we were able to increase wages, increase employees, and increase hours while increasing profit and decreasing waste. Only went out of business because our management decided to go away from our bread and butter and expand into other avenues. By the time they tried reversing course we were already millions in the hole and competitors had upped our signature product because we started diverting resources for new "products", "projects" and "programs". Sound familiar?

And don't say Kroger is too big for that to happen. I'm old enough to remember when Sears was the premiere place to go for clothes, electronics, tools, appliances, everything. My first credit card was a Sears card. How many people shop there now? How many stores do they even have left, and how many are huge stores like they had in the past? Exactly. Kroger keeps it up, they could easily be on their way out of business in 20-30 years. They're planning on saving money by eliminating labor with automation but by the time the robots catch up with cost effectiveness, how many physical stores will be remaining? God forbid if Amazon finally takes the step to turn Whole Foods into a general grocer and/or Dollar General decides to up their business like Wal-Mart did a few decades ago.



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On the day people in my dpt. were taking ours, one of my coworkers said that in the past they've tried to "track down" who said what. If I were you I'd just be completely quiet about it. It's ridiculous that associates are getting anxiety by answering the survey truthfully when the survey is supposed to improve the working environment. 



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It's ridiculous that associates are getting anxiety by answering the survey truthfully when the survey is supposed to improve the working environment.

Agreed.

The name of the third-party company--Willis Towers Watson--administering and gathering the survey data is at the bottom of the page and in the address bar of the survey.

Text from the survey:

This survey process includes procedures to keep your results confidential. The process itself is being managed by Willis Towers Watson, an independent consulting firm.

  • Willis Towers Watson will only create reports of the survey results for distribution which include groups of at least 10 or more respondents.
  • Kroger will maintain the raw data and follow procedures to keep your results confidential.
  • You will be provided with opportunities to leave comments. Please note that your comments will be collected, sorted into groups, and reported exactly as written.

Tell the truth, name names, and simply skip the identifying info questions at the end.  Leave your department, age, race, and gender blank, if you'd like, and press the forward arrow to continue.  Press "Submit" at the end.

 

 



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kroagrr wrote:

It's ridiculous that associates are getting anxiety by answering the survey truthfully when the survey is supposed to improve the working environment.

Agreed.

The name of the third-party company--Willis Towers Watson--administering and gathering the survey data is at the bottom of the page and in the address bar of the survey.

Text from the survey:

This survey process includes procedures to keep your results confidential. The process itself is being managed by Willis Towers Watson, an independent consulting firm.

  • Willis Towers Watson will only create reports of the survey results for distribution which include groups of at least 10 or more respondents.
  • Kroger will maintain the raw data and follow procedures to keep your results confidential.
  • You will be provided with opportunities to leave comments. Please note that your comments will be collected, sorted into groups, and reported exactly as written.

Tell the truth, name names, and simply skip the identifying info questions at the end.  Leave your department, age, race, and gender blank, if you'd like, and press the forward arrow to continue.  Press "Submit" at the end.

 

 Don't you have to log in to complete the survey? Yes?

Then there's your anonymity smoked right there biggrin


 



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 Don't you have to log in to complete the survey? Yes?  Then there's your anonymity smoked right therebiggrin

Log in for everyone is survey18, survey18, then a worksite code.

 



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Despite what they say or not say, it is NOT mandatory. A simple reply of not wanting your privacy invaded is sufficient enough. Or, as some of my coworkers have done is either not answer any of the questions that would identify them or straight up give wrong info to Kroger. At some point in the legalese , Kroger states the fact that they are in possession of the raw data. Tread lightly.



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If 10/hr inst good enough then go learn new skills that commands a higher wage. Kroger jobs are unskilled labor and is paid accordingly. You family and obligations isn't Krogers problem.


 Climb out of the 50s baby boomer. You already robbed the country blind, don't insult the boy while you do it too.  Enjoy retiring on the back of a generation you been calling garbage your entire life. You won't be missed.

Our family and obligations isn't a bargaining chip you sick ****. 



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 Anyone can do Kroger work. Sorry.


 This is true, but not everyone can do it *well*.



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Tell the truth, name names, and simply skip the identifying info questions at the end.  Leave your department, age, race, and gender blank, if you'd like, and press the forward arrow to continue.  Press "Submit" at the end.

 

 


 Exactly... if you are the only woman of color (pardon my expression) working in the bakery, they KNOW who you are.



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