I am strongly contemplating taking a demotion from a back-up manager to a staff position. Honestly, I am to the point where I could care less to manage a "three ring circus show" and get I no personal fulfillment from doing so. All I really care about is collecting pay. Currently I make $15.10/hr. I was hired in at $10.50/hr around 2 1/2 yrs ago.
So here is my Q's? How would you go about stepping down? I am pretty sure I would make $13.40/hr but want to be darn sure of this before committing. I have asked both my union steward & rep what I would make and with a little research they seem to agree but I want to be sure. I just checked ExpressHR and I see that I was making $12.30 when I took the promotion. When I was asked to be a manager, things were great and the world was my oyster. Then I got transferred to a ****-hole; work with a bunch of loons; managed by a real dickwad. Hey- thats the way things bounes sometimes huh!
When I step down, with my senority to the rest of the department, I would pretty much be working evening shift. I also would loose all the 'collateral movement' that comes along with being a manager (so in essence i would be chained down to a specific task during my shift). Right now, there is a major shortage of hours in my department and thru out the store. That is OK with me. I would honestly love to work a 7 hr shift 4 days a week. I do not think they would try to transfer me. I could refuse to do so right?
So am I nuts or what? Should I just grind away silently with what I got or go ahead with the 'self-destructive' decision to step down! LOL
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I would stay put. I've been in management and, yes, it sucks, but you will always have more flexibility and power dealing from that pulpit. The way retail is going, being a non management hourly employee is like being a red shirt on Star Trek...
bare in mind, once you step down, your a target. i have never seen people step down, and last, because they were treated as kind of traitors.
they got **** on, always aked to do their old resposabilites for one reason or another, without the pay, of coarse, but anytime they try to use any pull, they get reminded, they chosse to "step away from resposability"
now, don't get me wrong, i 100% understand, and don't blame you, but you have more control over your destiny now, they will make damn sure you loose that.
iv'e know three people who stepped down, a deli manager, a back up deli manager, and a sea food manager. all three were forced out anyway, in a year.
and NEVER trust. r rely on the union. even if they are being honest, they have so little power now, they won't be a lot of help
i THINK they can't transfer you, but i have seen it happen, but that person diddn't fight hard enough
I'm not the type of person to be walked on. They can remind me all day that I "stepped away from responsibility" Who cares! Its fricken' Kroger! I think I would get less hours which would allow me the time to explore other options. First off I would go ask to work a day or so at the kroger store near my home. if they schedule me for only 4 days then I am allowed to go work another store to get my hours in right! I already know the manager there and have good rapore. If i play my cards right i could honestly get transferred there. Plus there are several remodels going on around me which could allow me to move as well. Also when I step down I would have the capability of speaking my mind alot more than i can now. I would tell the people who are true pieces of **** that they are true pieces of **** and do not deserve being where they are. When they screw up I will let management know every single time until they are sick and tired of me telling them every single time and eithe get rid of them or tell me to shut the hell up. I can not get in trouble for speaking the truth about things. it would be fun for awhile just being an asswhole. I would also start coming in late, slacking off, calling out, etc then telling the manager - 'well every one else does it and you all dont seem to give a crap so...'. If they do try to screw with me well good luck. i would just sit up there and not say or do a damn thing. besides i don't need this job much longer and can not see myself doing this for the rest of my life like other loosers do (sorry if you fall in this catagory).
but hey while I do appreciate the discussion, all of this is sort of secondary stuff . What I really wish to hear is how (if I do decide to do this) I should go about it. Do I head upstairs to the store manager office and knock on his door one day or do I just tell my department manager? how would you go about it? Also, what would be my pay? Well I gotta run... Look forward to hearing some good answers later on today.
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Exactly what are you manager of? Are you an actual store manager or co-manager who is salaried and non-union or are you simply just a department manager (department head)?
Exactly what are you manager of? Are you an actual store manager or co-manager who is salaried and non-union or are you simply just a department manager (department head)?
LOL. i thought I made it pretty clear what type of manager i am.
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I'll just say that if you think you can deal with it go for it. Although, doing so, it is not recommended.
I think that is what everyone is trying to get at. Stop looking for justification and go with what you want. Tell your boss and the person that makes your schedules.
Just don't blame us if something goes wrong because it is your choice.
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Would you like fries with th... I mean, your milk in a bag?
Exactly what are you manager of? Are you an actual store manager or co-manager who is salaried and non-union or are you simply just a department manager (department head)?
LOL. i thought I made it pretty clear what type of manager i am.
i would do it in writing, and give a copy to both dept head, and store manager. i would also keep several copies, just in case they pull, 'he didn't tell us"
pay,i don't know how you could find out. i would THINK the store's AA would know, but ours knew nothing, so it depends on how much their stuff they know
Exactly what are you manager of? Are you an actual store manager or co-manager who is salaried and non-union or are you simply just a department manager (department head)?
I've been reading thedude's posts ever since he has been here and its been kind of vague, but each Kroger is different depending on which zone and contract you are in. Not to mention giving away too much information on this board could lead to retailation from Kroger if someone would ever put two and two together.
I guess it depends more on the store you work at, and only you know the answer to that. I've seen people step down at my store from department head jobs and eventually work their way into another department, but all of the department head/backup jobs here you have to work about 10 years to be able to bid on full time. If your store doesn't have a lot of senior employees (people who have pretty much spent their entire life at Kroger), it might be considerably different like what barada described.
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well first off, you can be vague that's fine. However, if your a backup or a department manager. More specifically, a department head. Your not in management. If you are a salaried non union manager, then you can not go back and take a union person's job. You have to quit and be rehired in at a union job.
Just like if me, a backup deli head decides to step down, I can do so because I have a union job. So I'm not replacing a union member.
Now of course your local contract may be different, but almost every contract has this clause. From ASPS to Pharmacy to Gas spots. If your non union you can't take a union spot.
Exactly what are you manager of? Are you an actual store manager or co-manager who is salaried and non-union or are you simply just a department manager (department head)?
LOL. i thought I made it pretty clear what type of manager i am.
So I guess that means a lousy manager.
why is it 9 out of 10 times, we have some smart ass with no name, making rude comments? get a name, cowards, if you wanna talk crap.AND READ THE POSTS!
Exactly what are you manager of? Are you an actual store manager or co-manager who is salaried and non-union or are you simply just a department manager (department head)?
LOL. i thought I made it pretty clear what type of manager i am.
So I guess that means a lousy manager.
why is it 9 out of 10 times, we have some smart ass with no name, making rude comments? get a name, cowards, if you wanna talk crap.AND READ THE POSTS!
thanks barada - i agree. funny how people gotta cower behind anonymity when posting their stupid posts. oh well. anyway...
bagboy - i dont get what you mean by saying what you said. did you say that department backups and department managers are not managers and do not manage? i didnt understand clearly what you said there.
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well first off, you can be vague that's fine. However, if your a backup or a department manager. More specifically, a department head. Your not in management. If you are a salaried non union manager, then you can not go back and take a union person's job. You have to quit and be rehired in at a union job.
Just like if me, a backup deli head decides to step down, I can do so because I have a union job. So I'm not replacing a union member.
yea i said you (BagBoy). who is fatboy? what i mean was i can not understand b/c of your typing what exactly you meant in the first paragraph above. you wrote <However, if your a backup or a department manager. More specifically, a department head. Your not in management.> and those are a bunch of phrases w/ the meaning kinda lost in the typing. thats all I was trying to get at. and now i definately do not see or know what or where i originally was trying to say that you were telling me to be a damned man. LOL.
but anyways - all is good. believe it or not for now i am cool with things going on currently at work so.... the original purpose of my post is not even in concideration.
PEACE!
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