Basic question, my hr person says that if you were part time and went full time that your status date was the median of your hire date and your full time sate. Ie
I started in 1/1/2005 then went full time 1/1/2011 so my status date would be 1/1/2008 is this true? And if not who do I need to talk to to make this right?
Basic question, my hr person says that if you were part time and went full time that your status date was the median of your hire date and your full time sate. Ie I started in 1/1/2005 then went full time 1/1/2011 so my status date would be 1/1/2008 is this true? And if not who do I need to talk to to make this right?
I've never heard of that. Where I work your full time status date is the date in which you START your 12 week progression to become full time.
Yeah, the basic idea is, this person was full time for 2 years then decided to drop down to watch her grandchildren. They were very serious about it and made her sign a paper saying that she wanted to drop down to part time. Now she wants back where she was (3-4 months later) and they're telling her this information and saying that she will be in the middle of our schedule of full time people again. She's just going to jump above everyone again, which is awful bc she's a terrible worker and your mid shifts are essential. I called our union today to ask her about what our HR person said (which was that nonsense about median status) I don't understand where they get things sometimes...
well i got my union contract here and read a particular section several times over and it is not making much sense to me so here it is....
once an associate has qualified as a 'full-time' associate, status 1 and status 3, the associate shall be removed from 'full-time' status if the associate has been reduced to part-time at the associate's voluntary written request the week following request for demotion to part-time status, and the associate's seniority shall be dated from the originaldate of hire or the date the associate enters the barganing unit, or the associate involuntarily reduces to less that 20 hours for 26 consecutive weeks.
if separated from 'full-time status in accordance with the preceeding, an associate has suffered a break in service which can not be bridged or eliminated by subsequent employment. To qualify as a 'full-time' associate, the associate must again meet the requirements set forth in (a) above.
so here is a... (which we all know) an associate shall be classified as 'full-time' at the end of the 1st 12 weeks, during which the average ours worked equal or exceed 85% of the basic hours in a work week.
i would suggest calmly grabbing any and all schedules past and present still posted and photocopying them several times. give a copy to your union steward; send a copy off to your union representative (i would actually bombard their fax machine with it every damn day until you get results if that is what it takes). when th schedule is posted with her now back in the middle and above a lot of people, somebody (maybe you) needs to go claim her hours. simply walk into the HR office and state that you are claiming this person's hours based on you having senoirity over her. even state that, based on both kroger policy and the UFCW regulations, when an employee voluntarily steppes down to part-time then recinds their part-time status that they now must work for 12 weeks to regain their status. I honestly do not know based on the above if this is correct but it is worth a try. At the very least, you are showing your disapproval.
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If Grandma has seniority over all other part timers, then no part timers can bump her hours to claim the full time position she is trying to get back.
If there are part timers who are more senior than Grandma, then if she gets awarded full time status again, they CAN and SHOULD exercise their union rights to claim her full time status.
If Grandma wants to be full time again, then The Dude has it correct. She must EARN it again by working the required hours (My contract is different. You earn full time by working 40 hours per week for a minimum of 10 weeks out of 12 in a three month period.). Once Grandma earns it, she has a new Seniority date among full timers, of the date she made full time. This will put her at the bottom of the list of full timers.
If Grandma gets full time and gets put right back where she was, the other full time people whom she bypassed have every right to call the union to complain. Also any part timers who had more seniority than her, as well, as I mentioned above.
Yeah I was thinking about it and say I'm a high school student and was hired in 02 when j was 15'and went to college now I'm full time, I would be the senior most member now?
Of course, full time seniority overrides part time seniority as far as schedules go. SO if Grandma is still more senior than you, but part time, then you have precedence over her on hours. If she were to earn her FT status back, then you should still have more seniority over her, because her new seniority date would recent in regards to full time status.
Keep in mind that sometimes the union can do things slightly different from place to place due to Kroger negotiating contracts based on zone.
Any questions? Be sure to check with your union rep or steward for confirmation of all advice given here.
Yes I'm full time and yes she has seniority over me but I know this policy has never been used before. Called my union people Friday but well see if they respond :)
I've never had good luck with them so I'll probably have a wonderful convo with them.
i would suggest calmly grabbing any and all schedules past and present still posted and photocopying them several times. give a copy to your union steward; send a copy off to your union representative (i would actually bombard their fax machine with it every damn day until you get results if that is what it takes). when th schedule is posted with her now back in the middle and above a lot of people, somebody (maybe you) needs to go claim her hours. simply walk into the HR office and state that you are claiming this person's hours based on you having senoirity over her. even state that, based on both kroger policy and the UFCW regulations, when an employee voluntarily steppes down to part-time then recinds their part-time status that they now must work for 12 weeks to regain their status. I honestly do not know based on the above if this is correct but it is worth a try. At the very least, you are showing your disapproval.
According to my contract book, they're suppose to already be doing that. Management is suppose to keep a binder with copies of the schedules and recaps dating back 14 weeks. This binder is to be located in a place agreed upon by both management and union steward. Employees have the right to review schedules and recaps.
By copying the schedule on your own you can be sure of no tampering. Sometimes management will post one schedule, then change it and post another after the fact, and well after their allowed window to do so.
And sometimes someone is scheduled one thing, but they actually work something else. My store management likes to sneak full time to people who do not have seniority by scheduling them less than 40 hours, but allowing them to work 40 hours. You wouldn't know it unless you asked the union to see a full time status list.
Trick with that is that if they earn full time and they have full time for a decent amount of time (It's undefined in our book, but my rep said a couple months) then even if you have more seniority, you cannot challenge it if you wait too long to do so.
I'm the original poster and I just talked to my union rep who talked to ours and apparently she is going to get her status back and her spot on the schedule back. Don't know what, if any options we really have. She's an issue to the whole department at this point. :( worst thing is a good worker is quitting over this ordeal.
it sounds to me that she must be an employee with a lot of years put into the company and she only went part time for 2 or 3 months so i guess her years of being full time outweigh her part time time
i guess just deal with it like you all were dealing with it a couple months ago.
-- Edited by thedude on Monday 11th of July 2011 04:52:23 PM
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The issue is that she really cannot perform the necessary job functions and she is not the oldest person there. I wouldn't want to work somewhere where people were literally debating just transfering instead of having to deal with her >.> Whatever though
anyways... my union representative showd up today at our store. i asked her about this. she said that if you go part time for an extended amount of time (say a month or more for whatever reason) then decide to go back to full time, your new seniority date should be 1/2 of your old seniority date.
so lets say you work for kroger for 10 yrs. it would now be 5 years. worked there for 2 years it would now be 1 year.
does that sound right madman
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I'm only responding to this because i'm active in this community, and had FT status questions myself, I know "thedude" is still active on this website and most posters here were too.
This anon sounds like a bratty teenage kid with a clique of friends who were irritated by her and her old age in the first place, how dare she take off to be with her grandchildren!, now they are mad she has come back and just don't want to deal with her so they want to try to bully her out.
And I say this as a 24 year old female, but I know all about discrimination from "popular groups" and how immature and stupid it is. I work in a workplace where we're all friends that annoy the hell out of each other, but any and all of us hang out outside of work. Going to iHop, just chillin, going to dinner, etc.
Idk it just struck a nerve with me. I'm just gonna post a new post about what my current situation is and stop bringing up old threads.
