Guns in the Workplace?

AnonymousCutter · Guru

Guns in the Workplace?

barada · Guru

guns are a tricky subject.

there are some people, i trust to carry a gun, because i know they have the right frame of mind for it.

others, i wouldn't give a sharp stick to.

no weapons at work is pretty standard, thou .

I know secret service, FBI, and such can pack anywhere, but i doubt they would work for kroger

techelite · Guru

Corporate policy has been developed (through extensive experience) to mandate that if a robber appears to be legitimately willing and able to hurt someone (ie carrying and threatening to shoot), give them what they ask for. It's by far the safest option for everyone involved.

What you're saying is you want to be able to turn a one-sided, but stable, situation into a two-sided, wildly unpredictable, and far more dangerous, situation.

Not buyin it.

Our store has been robbed 2 times in the 5 years I've been here. Once a guy jumped over the lane and pushed the girl out of the way and grabbed money from the till. The second time, the store was closed and a couple came in and stole the money from the SCO till. Twice, minimally violent, in 5 years, for less than $1000 dollars total, doesn't qualify as a high risk job to me. Kroger is overwhelmingly within its rights to say we can't carry on the job. In addition I can just see the receipt tracker comments now... "I was going to complain at the service desk about 19 different things, but so-and-so had a gun so I was scared to even go up and buy cigarettes." Not a good customer-friendly environment.

BagBoy · Guru

Being compliant doesn't mean being safe, techelite.

techelite · Guru

BagBoy wrote:
Being compliant doesn't mean being safe, techelite.

In a robbery situation, oh yes it does. "Safe" being relative here. A theif most likely plans to not use a weapon for anything more than a threat because he or she doesn't expect anyone else to have one of their own. Once you start brandishing a gun back at them, they're likely to panic and may very well pull the trigger. Ill take the 1 in 100 chance they'd walk in and start shooting, and employees be unarmed, over the 50/50 chance they start shooting if we pull a gun on them, any day of the week.

BagBoy · Guru

techelite wrote:
BagBoy wrote:
Being compliant doesn't mean being safe, techelite.
In a robbery situation, oh yes it does. "Safe" being relative here. A theif most likely plans to not use a weapon for anything more than a threat because he or she doesn't expect anyone else to have one of their own. Once you start brandishing a gun back at them, they're likely to panic and may very well pull the trigger. Ill take the 1 in 100 chance they'd walk in and start shooting, and employees be unarmed, over the 50/50 chance they start shooting if we pull a gun on them, any day of the week.

except when the rober has no reguard for human life and decides to shoot you in the face.

producepro99 · Senior Member

Why do we need a gun in the work place?
I mean, a crazy employee could start shooting people up if he or she knows where it is.

techelite · Guru

BagBoy wrote:
except when the rober has no reguard for human life and decides to shoot you in the face.

That would be the 1 in 100 i mentioned. Most theives are overwhelmingly selfish enough to try and take money, but very few have the psychological defects necessary to kill without provocation. And as we saw in the youtube video, it looks just as likely that an employee would be the one doing the shooting-in-the-face.

producepro99 · Senior Member

Some places probably secretly carry a shotgun if an emergency comes along.

AnonymousCutter · Guru

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/compliance-does-not-always-ensure-your-safety

nocturnia · Guru

It's proven that all the states with the longest history of carry and conceal have the lowest rates of gun violence against law abiding citizens.

All the above contrary arguements against guns in the work place are good and have their merits, but the faster we get to a place where criminals truly believe they can get their nuts shot off for trying anything in a super market or shopping mall, the quicker retail violence will chill the fk OUT.

barada · Guru

well, the REAL reason guns will never be allowed in a kroger, is no manager is dumb enough to let the people they treat like crap, pack.

there would be a lot of dead managment.

all about power

Date: Jul 20, 2012

I work a lot of closing shifts. Sometimes I would feel a little better with a pistol in my back pocket.

For the most part, compliance should do the trick. It's not my money, and it's insured anyways. But every now and then, they shoot everyone because they saw it in a movie once.

A crazy employee probably isn't a problem unless you are a jerk or a manager. But I repeat myself.

nocturnia · Guru

It's not gonna happen. Not in Kroger, not in Walmart, not in Piggly-Wiggly, not in ANY retailer. Funny glitch between Second Ammendment Law, Carry/Conceal states and private enterprize....A few years ago there was a case where a woman at a HUCKS grabbed a bat and chased out a would-be robber-with a gun. She saved the cash register and store profits: Got FIRED for her efforts. This was in a mid western state, by the way.

Bottom line, no matter which side of the fence anyone is on, this situation is neither going away OR going to improve. I live in Il., which is the last state not approving Carry and Conceal. Anyone here knows how retardedly high the gun violence against civiians is.

4hourrush · Guru

Guns in the workplace could be good for defense, but at the same time there's some employees who I would not want to see packing. All it'd take is for some employee to snap one day at their manager.

AnonymousCutter · Guru

barada wrote:
well, the REAL reason guns will never be allowed in a kroger, is no manager is dumb enough to let the people they treat like crap, pack.
there would be a lot of dead managment.
all about power

An old meat cutter told me of a tale where back in the 70s they found a comanager up north hanging from a meat hook in the cooler back when they still hung beef.

BagBoy · Guru

AnonymousCutter wrote:
barada wrote:
well, the REAL reason guns will never be allowed in a kroger, is no manager is dumb enough to let the people they treat like crap, pack.
there would be a lot of dead managment.
all about power

An old meat cutter told me of a tale where back in the 70s they found a comanager up north hanging from a meat hook in the cooler back when they still hung beef.

Unless you actually cared... sounds like a good day to be an employee!

oldmammacat · Newbie

I'm all for the 2nd amendment rights. However, having been in this business for as long as I have, I know one thing: If they point a gun in your face and they think you might be reaching for your gun, you are already dead. Not to mention the innocent people who might get hurt or killed in the crossfire. Having a Superman complex is fine and all, but when bullets are flying, there's no telling who might get shot. If you find yourself getting robbed while working for a grocery store like Kroger, then just give them the money. It's insured and can be replaced. Lives cannot.