I was accused and wrongly written up for violating my work duties. When i asked for documented proof of violations from my manager. I was denied and was told that he ((my manager)) was informed by "other employees" VERBALLY...hear say... that i was not doing my job. I asked for documentation with dates from the "other employees" and names and was also denied this. Im filing my grievence tomorrow morning but i was wondering if my manager can do this with out documented proof? There is no way in hell he can write me up without a legit reason and documented proof that i was not doing my job.
If the union fails you, I'd threaten a law suit. Nothing puts coco-puffs and a lemonaid stand down Corporate's pants faster than believing they have a serious legal claim to fight. Try your union first, of course. But..... I've used this: IT WORKS.
That's the problem with today's society. Instead of accepting personal responsibility and blaming everyone else. You are probably the problem, buts it's easier to threaten a lawsuit. That's weak.
That's the problem with today's society. Instead of accepting personal responsibility and blaming everyone else. You are probably the problem, buts it's easier to threaten a lawsuit. That's weak.
coming from someone that can't even accept responsability for thier own words, enough to not hide behind anonymous
look - first off did you do it or not? only you now the full truth to it. its like every one serving time in prison is innocent right? morally - if you did it and got busted then well suck it up as a loss and they got you and move on. or you can fight it on grounds of no evidence given to you and yea you do have a valid claim. now on the flip side if you ARE innocent then hell yea fight it!
so the question is are you a chump or not?
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well apparently if you are wanting to keep your job, your best option is to try and open a discussion with management. don't worry so much about particulars of who said what, but focus more on what was said about what is and isn't getting done.
but if you want to file a lawsuit, i'm sure that kroger has some good lawyers and union busters on their staff and i'd have to just say good luck with that :/
Too many people bitch about stupid nonsense on this forum. Good god.
thats what is Forum is - it was created for Kroger employees to bitch! Good god. heck i much rather read post of peoples silly little bitching than stupid 12 word responses to each and every post that doesnt really progress the particular thread.
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I was accused and wrongly written up for violating my work duties. When i asked for documented proof of violations from my manager. I was denied and was told that he ((my manager)) was informed by "other employees" VERBALLY...hear say... that i was not doing my job. I asked for documentation with dates from the "other employees" and names and was also denied this. Im filing my grievence tomorrow morning but i was wondering if my manager can do this with out documented proof? There is no way in hell he can write me up without a legit reason and documented proof that i was not doing my job.
((((((( but i was wondering if my manager can do this with out documented proof? )))))))
yes they can write you up and ternimate you for any reason at any time. They do not have to show you anything . Now if you are the shop steward or one is present then they are to show them but they can refuse. Now it may be wrong and you may be screwed over but that is what they are counting on. Have the union business agent there to handle it properly and let them deal with it. If a manager does not like you they can always play this hoping that you will just say the hell with it and give up. seen that pulled many times.
yea that exact scenario happened at our store yesterday, grumpy1. there was a deli person terminated by the store manager for allegedly eating deli product. he is only a kid an rather clueless on the politics of employer / employee relations. there is no real hard "smoking gun" evidence of him eating the product (like a camera showing him shoving food into his mouth) that we are aware of rather a bunch of circumstantial facts that come into play against him. the store manager apparently told him that he will no longer be working for good ol' kroger and that he can either be fired or resign. the stupid kid didn't put up much of a fight and chose to resign. he played right into the store manager's cards so to speak.
hell - i think the kid is guilty as all get out so maybe it is best for him to suck it up like a man and move on. or if he wishes he can fight it. i told the boy on the way out the door that it is truly a moral question he has to consider. did he do it and got caught or is he innocent. but regardless of this particular example, the store manager denied showing the employee proof / it was another employees word used to hang the kid.
i know the union was contacted by our shop steward afterwards. she was not even asked to be present when the kid was axed. my take on it is that the investigation wasnt complete because the store manager never came back around to talk to the accused before handing down the verdict. in essence it is like a dictatorship pretty much condemning a person w/out giving him the opportunity to defend himself. but hey i think they are allowed to do that. sure it would be "fair" to have a perfectly runned trial as you will for all of these cases. but basically if the manager wants you out then i think he can boot you to the curb.
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First: Let me clarrify my encourgement of calling lawyers.
It really should be for only extreme cases, of course.....But the further I delve into retail management, the more I see how these other-wise cry baby cases can actually be real iunjustices. It's why I said the O.P. should try their union rep first.
Second: I don't believe that just because a manager dislikes an hourly employee is any mertiable reason for harassment. Sure, if the O.P. was/is guilty of a real wrong doing, I agree: they should just man up and take the hit. But that person's text did not suggest that to me.
Third: There have been some occasions where I have been called upon by a superior to 'coach' an associate, or face being coached myself. In each case I've pulled that person aside, gotten their side of the story, and gave them instead a 'buddy chat' (walmart-esque for a non recorded offense). In all cases, those people pulled their stuff together and have since been just fine. And somehow, so was I! Meanwhile, there are at least two other managers I work with who take great zest in jamming people up and forcing them out the door. And that is BULLSHT.
And that is why I originally recommended legal action: If you know you're truly right, F I G H T it. Sign NOTHING.
yea i fully get what you are saying there. one of the big things i try to instill into people is that no matter what happens they learn something from it or take away something. things might not go their way or maybe they do but just be a better person based on the experience. its like learning life's lessons the hard way. the more times you get called out on something you finally get it through your head on a lot of fronts.
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That's the problem with today's society. Instead of accepting personal responsibility and blaming everyone else. You are probably the problem, buts it's easier to threaten a lawsuit. That's weak.
coming from someone that can't even accept responsability for thier own words, enough to not hide behind anonymous
That's the problem with today's society. Instead of accepting personal responsibility and blaming everyone else. You are probably the problem, buts it's easier to threaten a lawsuit. That's weak.
coming from someone that can't even accept responsability for thier own words, enough to not hide behind anonymous
That might even mean something, if indeed, I were here to make friends. Yawn....
ok so if you all remember, i mentioned about this kid who got fired a few days back for alledgedly eating product from the deli. the very next day, lo and behold, in walks the fired dude to work his shift. when i say him in uniform heading into the deli i was pretty much staring at him thinking to myself WTF. he sees me and his exact words right away to me were "i guess i win".
heres the problem - he stole and ate food. he knows it but he in his puny underdeveloped mind thinks that he should not be fired when caught. heck he even goes as far as to blame the lady who turned him in! no fricken' responsibility & just plain and simple doesnt get it. and i guarentee you most people in the kroger society are identical to him.
at my store we have this great deli technology that will be the new breaking edge system in all the delis. it has a employee keying in the customers order then gives them the option to go shop while we slice the order. its sorta like the front deli kiosk but expanded. anyway - the order taker is required to pretty much stand there all day and wait for any customers to come their way. so what do u do when there is no customers? we have this stupid lady who has the seniority so she gets that slot all the time. now a person with brains and willingness would find plenty of opportunities to do productive things around that area during down time. she can wrap up product / clean the slicers or scales / sweep the floor / put more deli bags up / the list is endless. but she rather lean against the deli case and do nothing.
so here is my point - people do not care. i wonder if they just dont see things like i do or are they stupid or what. i tell my deli manager that u can schedule her anywhere u want. just b/c she has seniority doesnt mean she has to be the order taker! when a person with common sense comes in trade her out. there are places for the idiots and places for those who care.
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