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I recently quit my job as cashier in the middle of a busy shift.  A bad thing to do, I know, but I was fed up.  I spoke to the person supervising that evening, the "Assistant Co-ordinator of Customer Service" or some such, the only red vest person there.  I told him I was quitting, was sorry, but would not be back.  He said, "Right now? Are you sure? Ok." I left and had no further contact.  Now I've received this letter:

"We are informing you that the investigation by (person's name) for job abandonment has concluded.  You employment with the Kroger Co. has been terminated effective (the day I quit) for the above stated reason."

What is this?  My googling of "job abandonment" tells me it's for when an employee leaves or doesn't show up for work for several days, and doesn't inform the  management of their intention to not return.  I most certainly informed them.  Are they trying to get me in trouble?  Has someone lied about the circumstances of my leaving?  Will this be a problem in getting other jobs?  In short, should I just forget this, or do I need a lawyer?

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Forget it.  Kroger will only give out your dates of employment. 

 



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You really should have told at LEAST a co-manager that you were quitting and maybe waited til the end of your shift. Because of your selfishness, others had to pick up your slack, get their breaks late, and maybe even leave late.



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Thanks for the spanking, but that doesn't answer my question.  It was late, and there was no-one else to talk to.  I also sent a letter a few days later apologizing.  (You don't know me, or what's going on in my life; I neither need nor deserve a scolding from you.)



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Thanks for the spanking, but that doesn't answer my question.  It was late, and there was no-one else to talk to.  I also sent a letter a few days later apologizing.  (You don't know me, or what's going on in my life; I neither need nor deserve a scolding from you.)


 You sound like a quitter to me. Remember once you have to live on your own that you can't just quit a job without having something else lined up. That's just idiotic and childish.



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The U.S. Attorney's Office is looking into this, coordinating with the F.B.I., and there is a man hunt out for you right now. You can expect to spend ay least eight years in ankle grabing lock down.

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Does anyone have any actual advice to give me?  I'm seriously afraid that when called for a job reference, Kroger will say I was fired instead of quitting.  The letter seems to be claiming my employment at Kroger was "terminated as a result of an investigation," and I don't know what they're talking about.  I realize I shouldn't have quit in the middle of a shift--(FYI, I'm a 55-year-old woman under a tremendous amount of stress due to trouble at home,  and I reached a point where I just... broke down. I simply could not take any more stress)--but I did, and now I'm afraid some misunderstanding will jeopardize my chances at getting another job.

Doesn't a job reference ask if the person left voluntarily or was fired?  I left voluntarily (albeit badly) and I don't want my record to state otherwise.

I'd rather not be insulted or made fun of; I'm feeling rotten enough as it is, and am looking for help.



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(You don't know me, or what's going on in my life; I neither need nor deserve a scolding from you.)


 

hehe... sounds like something a teen would say.

 

 

 

Anyway, what you did is still job abandonment. You were required to work your entire shift, and leaving, whether you told anybody or not, still constitutes as abandonment.

 

Would it matter? Not really. HR would only provide the dates that you were with Kroger. Now, if you're gonna claim unemployment, then that's when the circumstances of your departure are looked into.

 

 

People who abandon their jobs do it voluntarily. You're no exception. The proper way to do it was let them know that you'll be leaving after this week.



-- Edited by NutritionWhore on Friday 8th of August 2014 09:46:17 PM

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You didn't give any sort of official notice (your comments to the acsm don't count, btw) regardless of whether you think you did.

Had you simply finished your shift and not come back in, THAT would have been a voluntary quit under most contracts, but leaving in the middle of your shift without permission from mgmt (which doesn't include the red vest) IS considered job abandonment, whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not.

Sending in a letter was just too little, too late. I understand if you had personal stress going on, but the situation is the way it is as a direct result of your actions, and technically speaking, it sounds like your actions were responded to appropriately. No offense, just the hard truth.

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They probably sent you the letter saying that you were terminated due to job abandonment more then likely to cover themselves in case you tried to claim unemployment benefits or seek the unions help to get your job back. This company and their store management as well as HR are so inconsistent with employees who have quit, been fired or forced out. Do not stress out about it....you quit, you did not abandon your job. There are so many other employees who have done the exact same thing, got fed up with all the bull crap, quit and never looked back. You won't have a hard time finding another job. If you're really concerned about the letter, contact the store that you worked at and make sure that the person you told that night that you quit, actually relayed that to store management, it's possible that they didn't and that is why they think you abandoned your job. All Kroger cares about is not having to pay out any unemployment benefits.

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The only thing a former employer is allowed to say about an employee is when they started working there and when they stopped working there.  They are not allowed to say why the employee is no longer working there.  I've known people to get fired over shoplifting or stealing and they still manage to find another job using Kroger as a reference.  I think the letter they sent you is their way of protecting themselves legally in case you try to claim they fired you.  It won't have any effect on you getting another job.



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The only thing a former employer is allowed to say about an employee is when they started working there and when they stopped working there.  They are not allowed to say why the employee is no longer working there.  I've known people to get fired over shoplifting or stealing and they still manage to find another job using Kroger as a reference.  I think the letter they sent you is their way of protecting themselves legally in case you try to claim they fired you.  It won't have any effect on you getting another job.


 If a future employer asks Kroger why someone isn't working there, they can say xxx got fired for not showing up. There is no law saying that an employer cannot disclose this, especially if it's inquired. If Kroger said xxx was a thief and had no evidence, then that would be slander, which is illegal. People should learn that there are consequences to actions and that any employer worth working for (i.e. not Mcdonalds or Target) is going to want to know the truth to why you left your job if you leave the answer blank.



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Does anyone have any actual advice to give me?  I'm seriously afraid that when called for a job reference, Kroger will say I was fired instead of quitting.  The letter seems to be claiming my employment at Kroger was "terminated as a result of an investigation," and I don't know what they're talking about.  I realize I shouldn't have quit in the middle of a shift--(FYI, I'm a 55-year-old woman under a tremendous amount of stress due to trouble at home,  and I reached a point where I just... broke down. I simply could not take any more stress)--but I did, and now I'm afraid some misunderstanding will jeopardize my chances at getting another job.

Doesn't a job reference ask if the person left voluntarily or was fired?  I left voluntarily (albeit badly) and I don't want my record to state otherwise.

I'd rather not be insulted or made fun of; I'm feeling rotten enough as it is, and am looking for help.


If you are worried Kroger will say you were fired just tell whoever you are interviewing with next the truth - you got fed up and walked out in the middle of your shift.  They both sound equally bad to me = toss a coin.  



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The U.S. Attorney's Office is looking into this, coordinating with the F.B.I., and there is a man hunt out for you right now. You can expect to spend ay least eight years in ankle grabing lock down.


 Hey, that sounds better than my current job.  Where do I sign up?



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Let this be a lesson to you and others, never leave a job mid shift and disappear.  Your employer wouldn't never to that to you why would you do it to them.  You should have called them again and said you quit.  I guess you will find out once you try and get another job. 



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Thank you to those who answered without feeling the need to preach or insult me.  I didn't do this lightly, have been feeling awful about it, and am prepared to face the consequences. 

 



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Let this be a lesson to you and others, never leave a job mid shift and disappear.  Your employer wouldn't never to that to you why would you do it to them.  You should have called them again and said you quit.  I guess you will find out once you try and get another job. 


 Kroger sees so many people come and go without warning they're really not going to care what one person does.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen it happen and the ones who quit always manage to find employment elsewhere.



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Let this be a lesson to you and others, never leave a job mid shift and disappear.  Your employer wouldn't never to that to you why would you do it to them.  You should have called them again and said you quit.  I guess you will find out once you try and get another job. 


 Kroger sees so many people come and go without warning they're really not going to care what one person does.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen it happen and the ones who quit always manage to find employment elsewhere.


 

They don't care if you don't come back the next day. They care if you leave them hanging mid-shift. It's not the company you're harming, it's your coworkers who are enduring the **** that you're not willing to tolerate even for the tiniest amount due to your lack of responsibility and respect.



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Let this be a lesson to you and others, never leave a job mid shift and disappear.  Your employer wouldn't never to that to you why would you do it to them.  You should have called them again and said you quit.  I guess you will find out once you try and get another job. 


 Kroger sees so many people come and go without warning they're really not going to care what one person does.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen it happen and the ones who quit always manage to find employment elsewhere.


 

The question is do they still shop at Kroger?
When I finally leave "my" store I am never going back again.
I don't care if they offer $20 bills stapled to the cookies.
Now that I know first-hand how poorly managed Front End is for the store, I want no part in supporting it or the management who oversee it.



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Quitting in the middle of a shift probably got you put on the "do not hire" list.

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I worked for kroger for twelve years I have a sister who was very ill with multiple sclerosis who needed me. I turned in a transfer . before when I'd transferd with the company I was told it was as if I'd given a two weeks notice. My boss just took the paperwork . and put it on his desk . I moved away from the city I was in and tried to transfer. I was fierd. Instead my family needed me. And I can't even get a reference after all the years I worked hard and came in in on my days off. I tried to express to my boss my need to leave my sister 's dire need and I was fired.



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You should have cane in the next day to talk to management or assistant manager. The FE supervisor us just that...a supervisor. He/she has no authority other than to reccomend a write up or send one home if there is no manager present and they have the authority. To cover your end I would talk to management and explain what happened asap and get it cleared up.

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Job abandonment is clear out by me, and that's exactly how it is. No warning or anything to management will definitely not look good in the companies eyes as you are effectively ending your relationship with the company, as management and the corporate policy by me is that "any employee who wishes to not complete their shift without notification and approval of the Manager on Duty for a verified emergency shall be construed as a self-termination and thus ending the employment agreement between the Employer and Employee as laid out in the Employee Code of Conduct." And that's if management decides to follow through if you are a habitually "problem" employee or not, sometimes not.

I am not going to say you did it for the wrong reasons, but that your decision is yours and I respect it without explanation or judgement. A bagger out by me recently was extremely lucky he didn't get terminated formally as he walked out in the middle of his shift, I was even sent to locate him after FES and manager on duty could not locate him, even with MOD paging and asking the bagger to call him directly twice. He's lucky, others who have pulled that, like a cashier clocking out over 50 minutes beforehand and waiting in lobby after management asked her and tried to work with her, they simply canned her and my co managers words on this are very clear "if they do not want to do to the work, then we honestly have no reason for them to be here and that will be that." Management is nice most of the times, but will lay the law down in an instant if you decide to go completely rouge without any signs of good faith or explanation on your part. People think the Union will protect them, the Union does not appreciate job abandonment any more then management and will not back you if you decide to break the CoC or they find that you did indeed self-terminate in that regard as you did it fully willing and able. 



-- Edited by UC151 on Tuesday 6th of August 2019 02:01:02 AM

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Seeing as how this is a five year old thread, I'm assuming OP found another job. Probably several.

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Btw, it is interesting to note the many genuine and quality posts from the, then, active members on this site, five years ago, as opposed to now.

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That's a hilarious perspective. You're time is always worth more than the work you do and almost every job at Kroger pays below a living wage. It's selfish of you to think someone else should suffer just because you did.



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I've seen people walk multiple times and still retain employment with how f'd up this company is. 

If you walk that's technically it. You're not responsible for anything else. 

If you were at end of shift and manager told you to stay over due to being short staffed. No! that is illegal and you can file a union grievance. 



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I recently quit my job as cashier in the middle of a busy shift.  A bad thing to do, I know, but I was fed up.  I spoke to the person supervising that evening, the "Assistant Co-ordinator of Customer Service" or some such, the only red vest person there.  I told him I was quitting, was sorry, but would not be back.  He said, "Right now? Are you sure? Ok." I left and had no further contact.  Now I've received this letter:

"We are informing you that the investigation by (person's name) for job abandonment has concluded.  You employment with the Kroger Co. has been terminated effective (the day I quit) for the above stated reason."

What is this?  My googling of "job abandonment" tells me it's for when an employee leaves or doesn't show up for work for several days, and doesn't inform the  management of their intention to not return.  I most certainly informed them.  Are they trying to get me in trouble?  Has someone lied about the circumstances of my leaving?  Will this be a problem in getting other jobs?  In short, should I just forget this, or do I need a lawyer?

Thanks.


 I had an co-worker who quit in mid-shift. I don't know what happened between the co-worker and the company, but the co-worker has gotten a new job afterwards in a short period of time. I'm sorry the company gave you an difficult time. I hope all good vibes are coming your way soon. 



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I recently quit my job as cashier in the middle of a busy shift.  A bad thing to do, I know, but I was fed up.  I spoke to the person supervising that evening, the "Assistant Co-ordinator of Customer Service" or some such, the only red vest person there.  I told him I was quitting, was sorry, but would not be back.  He said, "Right now? Are you sure? Ok." I left and had no further contact.  Now I've received this letter:

"We are informing you that the investigation by (person's name) for job abandonment has concluded.  You employment with the Kroger Co. has been terminated effective (the day I quit) for the above stated reason."

What is this?  My googling of "job abandonment" tells me it's for when an employee leaves or doesn't show up for work for several days, and doesn't inform the  management of their intention to not return.  I most certainly informed them.  Are they trying to get me in trouble?  Has someone lied about the circumstances of my leaving?  Will this be a problem in getting other jobs?  In short, should I just forget this, or do I need a lawyer?

Thanks.


 You definitely abandoned your job. Such a easy monkey position too.



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They don't want to pay for unemployment; Karma just started



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Depends on how lenient the manager is. By voluntarily quitting you may not qualify for unemployment though you can try. I've seen people "walk" multiple times and still be employed years later. 

Kroger is not like the best company to work for. I'm planning on finishing my ba then leaving. Just need to get it through kroger that online school still counts and I can't be full time;. I'd like to jump to 2 classes a quarter but can't if they keep working me full time. 



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