What is the official policy on this? I know you're expected to be on time at clock-in but is there anything rule/guideline that states anything similar to "after x amount of times being late you're written up/suspended/terminated" ? I can't find anything. There are days I get there early and on time, then others where I'll clock in at say 1:02 or 1:04 when I'm scheduled for 1:00. I'm not the only one in my department as I have witnessed co-worker A arriving in a similar fashion multiple times, and co-worker B has been known to be later than this. I feel that I'm being unfairly targeted by my supervisor, as I have never seen them 'repremand' my co-workers like I have been a couple of times. Co-worker B and I have similar living/family arrangements and demands, but B seems to always be let off the hook for being late and excessive call-ins. I've only called in once, over a year ago. I've been there for over a year and a half, and I have seniority over my co-workers. It also does not help that the area the store is located is under construction not to mention a popular stretch of road. Even my sups have been caught up in traffic and been late.
So I guess let me get right down to why: Lately I've felt like my boss is waiting for an opportunity to get rid of me (not that they can afford to, we are sort-of short handed) but aside from the late moments and a couple of mistakes (no actual write-ups), I feel like I perform well. My performance review was positive last year. I have not joined the union but I'm not completely against it. I see mixed reviews about union. I just want to be prepared and knowledgeable should I find myself in a bad situation. I don't see a reason as to why, but you never know. I'd ask someone at my store but I don't know who to trust there, and I don't want to start a whole other conversation.
Prioritize your life so that you will always be on time for work. Our fastest stocker is terrible about that and one more late showing and he will be terminated. Granted he's not 2-4 minutes late, but 15-30 every single night, and never stays his entire shift, even though he's full time.
There is no hard and steady rule for number of times, if they can make an argument that you're not reliable, then they can use that as long as they follow the disciplinary procedure. Oh, and doctors notes are NOT excusable when in accordance with excessive absenteeism/tardiness. Person mentioned above was just suspended 3 days for calling in with a doctors note, due to his history.
My store has a "7 minute" policy. This means that you can clock in 7 minutes past whether it be your shift, break, or lunch. Anything past 7 minutes and you're considered late.
My store has a "7 minute" policy. This means that you can clock in 7 minutes past whether it be your shift, break, or lunch. Anything past 7 minutes and you're considered late.
That's the clock policy (leave up to 7 minutes early too) - there's also common courtesy when you're scheduled at 1 and the person you're replacing gets off at 1 - be there at 1!
That 7 minutes is for payroll. It's not meant to be manipulated to be late for work or leave work early. I always hear the kids at work talk about it, never the adults.
It's always amazing to me: all the energy and concentration and devotion some people put into getting away with stuff they KNOW is wrong.............and then I remember I was once the same way. Always had a million excuses and ways to get away with being late, leaving early, never being prepared; for getting high, driving 40 mph over all speed limits, etc., etc.
It's always amazing to me: all the energy and concentration and devotion some people put into getting away with stuff they KNOW is wrong.............and then I remember I was once the same way. Always had a million excuses and ways to get away with being late, leaving early, never being prepared; for getting high, driving 40 mph over all speed limits, etc., etc.
Eventually I got tired of being in trouble.
It does wear you out doesn't it? I find my time is better spent driving the speed limit and flipping the bird to those who don't.
I had one day where I mistook my time coming in and ended up getting in 30 minutes late.
I went to customer service to explain it to the FES who was there at the time.
He told me that if I hadn't mentioned it, he would never have known.
I knew someone who was always 5 minutes late. However, they didn't say anything to her because of the 7-minute rule (which was what we went by at the store I was at). We knew she was coming in, and we knew that if she needed to be in at 5, she won't be any later than 5:07, but she gets in at 5:05.
We have someone who always clocks it at :53 and leaves at :53 every day. you'll see her walking by early ready to leave every day. So the "adults" do it too.
We have someone who always clocks it at :53 and leaves at :53 every day. you'll see her walking by early ready to leave every day. So the "adults" do it too.
And how exactly is that a problem? 8 hours is 8 hours.
I just think if you should work the hours you are scheduled. 6a - 2p? Be there at six, leave at two. This 7 minute crap has just gotten blown way out proportion to the point of just being stupid.
I had a manager that used to try that 7 minute crap with me. I would clean my register, turn my light out and she would see that I was leaving and pull a customer from another line into my lane. We weren't busy, she did it on purpose. So I got in the habit of working nice and slow so I would clock out at 8 - 9 minutes late and get paid for the 15 minutes. No way was I going to let her squeeze a few minutes free out of me! It's just crazy the way people act about a few minutes and the manipulation that occurs. I can understand if you are busy, stay a few minutes after, no problem. But to do it on purpose to harass you, nah, I made them pay me.
We have someone who always clocks it at :53 and leaves at :53 every day. you'll see her walking by early ready to leave every day. So the "adults" do it too.
And how exactly is that a problem? 8 hours is 8 hours.
Oh it's not a problem. i don't think anyone cares. i was just saying that in reference to the anon who said "That 7 minutes is for payroll. It's not meant to be manipulated to be late for work or leave work early. I always hear the kids at work talk about it, never the adults.".
As long as you get your 8 hours in, who cares if you're a couple minutes early or late here and there.
We have someone who always clocks it at :53 and leaves at :53 every day. you'll see her walking by early ready to leave every day. So the "adults" do it too.
And how exactly is that a problem? 8 hours is 8 hours.
Oh it's not a problem. i don't think anyone cares. i was just saying that in reference to the anon who said "That 7 minutes is for payroll. It's not meant to be manipulated to be late for work or leave work early. I always hear the kids at work talk about it, never the adults.".
As long as you get your 8 hours in, who cares if you're a couple minutes early or late here and there.
Well good luck clocking in 7 minutes early and then trying to clock out 7 minutes early on the front end lol! Ain't gonna happen.
We have someone who always clocks it at :53 and leaves at :53 every day. you'll see her walking by early ready to leave every day. So the "adults" do it too.
And how exactly is that a problem? 8 hours is 8 hours.
Oh it's not a problem. i don't think anyone cares. i was just saying that in reference to the anon who said "That 7 minutes is for payroll. It's not meant to be manipulated to be late for work or leave work early. I always hear the kids at work talk about it, never the adults.".
As long as you get your 8 hours in, who cares if you're a couple minutes early or late here and there.
Well good luck clocking in 7 minutes early and then trying to clock out 7 minutes early on the front end lol! Ain't gonna happen.
True, service departments are different in that regard.
What is the official policy on this? I know you're expected to be on time at clock-in but is there anything rule/guideline that states anything similar to "after x amount of times being late you're written up/suspended/terminated" ? I can't find anything. There are days I get there early and on time, then others where I'll clock in at say 1:02 or 1:04 when I'm scheduled for 1:00. I'm not the only one in my department as I have witnessed co-worker A arriving in a similar fashion multiple times, and co-worker B has been known to be later than this. I feel that I'm being unfairly targeted by my supervisor, as I have never seen them 'repremand' my co-workers like I have been a couple of times. Co-worker B and I have similar living/family arrangements and demands, but B seems to always be let off the hook for being late and excessive call-ins. I've only called in once, over a year ago. I've been there for over a year and a half, and I have seniority over my co-workers. It also does not help that the area the store is located is under construction not to mention a popular stretch of road. Even my sups have been caught up in traffic and been late.
So I guess let me get right down to why: Lately I've felt like my boss is waiting for an opportunity to get rid of me (not that they can afford to, we are sort-of short handed) but aside from the late moments and a couple of mistakes (no actual write-ups), I feel like I perform well. My performance review was positive last year. I have not joined the union but I'm not completely against it. I see mixed reviews about union. I just want to be prepared and knowledgeable should I find myself in a bad situation. I don't see a reason as to why, but you never know. I'd ask someone at my store but I don't know who to trust there, and I don't want to start a whole other conversation.
Thank you guys!
How do you know they haven't been spoken too?
Assuming you are with them every minute of every day, try your shop steward. They can investigate and at least get attendance re set.
You have employee rights just anyone else, looks like favoritism, discrimination, call ur union rep....that's what happens when folks r in a click, the outsiders r who get it bad
We have someone who always clocks it at :53 and leaves at :53 every day. you'll see her walking by early ready to leave every day. So the "adults" do it too.
And how exactly is that a problem? 8 hours is 8 hours.
Oh it's not a problem. i don't think anyone cares. i was just saying that in reference to the anon who said "That 7 minutes is for payroll. It's not meant to be manipulated to be late for work or leave work early. I always hear the kids at work talk about it, never the adults.".
As long as you get your 8 hours in, who cares if you're a couple minutes early or late here and there.
Well good luck clocking in 7 minutes early and then trying to clock out 7 minutes early on the front end lol! Ain't gonna happen.
This right here is why our Kronos clocks are locked down to only allow you in on your exact "start" time unless a supervisor or manager does an override at the clock (manager will punch in the override, swipe n finger, then a 1 minute timer runs and whatever employees are at the clock may clock in and the clock will then lock out again (if you're 4-9pm, you may not clock in til 4pm on the dot, but may clock out before 9pm if authorized by a superior / manager, otherwise it's a write up as the clock will "red flag" that time in your time card report and management will see it.)
I cracks me up that people actually think that they can continuously come in to work 7 minutes late from what it says on the schedule. I use to be a department manager at a very busy store. I had these two young kids I referred to as Bevis & Butthead. Every damn day they would come in late! It actually pissed me off so much that I tried everything on them to be on time only hearing their rebuttal "uuuuuhhhhh.... well we get up to 7 minutes to be late". I would say well that is for occasional times like when maybe a funeral procession was ahead of you or a train blocked the rail road crossing but NOT for you to just come in at 9:07am every f'ing day! Finally I scheduled them to come in at 9:07. That didn't work. I did the opposite -8:53am. Ahhhh.... finally.
bunch of moron kids we got in this day and age. glad I'll be dead soon so I don't see this country ruined by them
I'm "late" almost every day. I make it within the 7 minute leeway 95% of the time though. I'm usually clocking in at 5:05-5:07 when I'm supposed to be there at 5. On payroll it still shows up as working 8 hours. I'm talking 5 AM so you can understand why it happens so frequently. Now the difference between myself and my coworkers (who are sometimes also "late") is that I'm not running for the exit at 1:23; I sometimes leave at 1:27, but most days it's 1:30-1:35. Scheduled until 1:30 (pm).
